Thursday, February 19, 2009


Guin, you have acheived the "Worst Moderator" Award at GDNNP! Now don't you for one second think that I know you won't have fun with this, and that the avatar's will be congratualting you. But the fact is I have had 500+ hits from you guys reading my blog, and the votes come from people who post on GDNNP. So maybe a little does of the truth will help...."You suck at moderating".

Wednesday, February 18, 2009

You Can Tell It's Nina's Cat

Well I have seen this cat wondering around my house quite a bit lately. Snooping around and trying to cause problems. She came across the border from Michigan so hence the name Michigan. I think she must be the world's fattest cat. I am going to keep her. She loves to hang out with the mice and rats and really is more of a barn cat. I am growing attached to her and since I really can't get rid of her I will just keep feeding her. She isn't very smart and is not an independent thinker, so she needs a lot of assistance.
Nina, don't put yourself in a pedestal. You are no better, no worse than the rest of us. Get off your soapbox.

Monday, February 16, 2009


Oh, I am so sorry feel left out, don't you. I thought you wouldn't go along with the crowd, but then how would they treat you if you to didn't get in the mix? Group think. Or more like a teenage girl succumbing to peer pressure. Shame on you Saint.

The Duggar's-In a Class of Their Own-

First and foremost I will tell you that I like the Duggar's. I have nothing really in common with them, certainly don't think their lifestyle choice is for me, but I do have an admiration in their steadfastness to their faith and ideals.
I see no harm in homeschooling their children, and contrary to some opinion, I do think Michelle is capable to manage a "classroom" of 15 or so at different phases of learning.
She and Jim Bob provide for the children they have with no government assistance and the family seems happy and healthy.
I don't think doing their show is just about money, if at all. It is important to them to share their faith and beliefs. No editing out religion for the Duggar's. They would never have consented to doing the show if they weren't allowed to be who they really are.
I know some people rip on them that they too are exploiting their kids, I don't personally think so, but we are all allowed our opinion.
Several of the kids highlighted are older and they seem very at ease in sharing their thoughts on camera. We have never seen a naked child, a kid left on a potty chair, or a Mother degrading one of her kids.
We see lots of love and kindness. I think the Duggar's walk their talk and I respect them for that.

Sunday, February 15, 2009


Nina Anya Guin Now we know why they would never use their real photo for their avatar.


On this episode of Jon and Kate Plus 8 we get to see another infomercial for Lane Furniture Co. You know the kid's deserve new furniture, just like the new house so I am really glad this failing company stepped up to take care of the family.

It isn't like they aren't earning it, the kid's are working still, Kate is everywhere doing book signings, TV guest spots, Jon even got a little piece of the limelight speaking at PSU. Good for him. I think he needs to hear some applause from time to time.

The poster's at GDNNP have all but forgotten that what got Jon and Kate to the postion that they are currently is was certainly by begging.

Beth must be new to the Gosselin world or lack critical thinking skills:

"Can I just vent for a minute...I am so sick and tired of hearing everyone say that Jon and Kate begged for the free furniture! Oh my word, maybe I am watching a different show but never have I caught them begging for anything."

This actually is priceless from shiny, happy Anya who I think goes thru her day in a Prozac induced hazed.

"Beth, the critics who claim they are "begging" lack critical thinking skills.Anything the Gosselins have acquired the last few years free-of-charge has been through some combination of marketing and/or endorsement deal."

And Quilart goes on to say:

"Beth, am I ever with you on this one! There are some who say J&K beg for everything. Maybe I'm not watching the same show, because I've never heard them beg for anything! On every show in the past few months, they have acknowledged how fortunate and blessed they are... "

Acknowledging how fortunate and blessed they are has nothing to do with begging, Beth.

That's right Quilart, the G's haven't gone a beggin' in quite awhile. They have been able to stop the church talks, love offerings and selling the kids pics for $20 bucks, cash. Kate is now working her ass off promoting the book Beth wrote, writing a new "picture" book and spreading her worries and woes about OctuMom.

As Jon mentioned while he was in Utah, he has to actively market the kids and the family. So I agree with you, they haven't outwardly begged in at least 6 months. The idea that Jon "markets" his family is unconscienable to me personally. I say, take the kids off camera, let Jon and Kate roll with what they have gotten from their kids. That would be the right thing to do.


Anya is the in house philosopher don't you know. She is also the peacemaker who says shiny, twinkly things all the live long day. I can't imagine such strong words coming from her mouth.... I mean her avatar. Every strong willed moderator needs a minion like Anya.
They tried and tried and tried some more to label me a hater, instead of someone with free will that calls em like I see em. See they feel better about their position of blind idolization and faith then to step back and say something critical of Kate. Kate is grumpy because she has been traveling, Kate has PMS, Jon should have used the coupon. It goes ON and ON!
What does God say about idolizing a false God....bowing down, glorifying and revering? Actually, for Anya and the bunch it is just a good old case of junior high hero worship, but they don't like that term either!

Saturday, February 14, 2009


As most of you know a fair amount of time goes into the choosing and discussing of one's avatar on GDNNP. When they are discussing the many uses of Hamburger Helper and Kate's new fridge, they like to switch up their avatar like changing socks!

Nina in fact has changed her twice today. She thinks it is funny. And now all her comrades have done the same. How's that for group think?

Interesting how much time they have spent over here reading when they weren't interested in what I had to say when I posted.

But at least they have the topic of their new avatars to discuss! Whew!


Does there exsist a "fair and balanced" blog on the subject of the Gosselin's. I thought I had found one, but realizing moderator's are only human, they too make mistakes, let their egos get in the way.

I think GDNNP's biggest problem is Guin.

"I think Kate is rude and too harsh with the kids"

You are only speculating and not using logic.

"I am stating an opinion"

But your opinion is illogical. Contrary to what some people think, we really do want to hear from all sides of the Gosselin debate here. I have been snarky with you but I'm really not trying to be a bitch. I just don't have a huge desire to be diplomatic with posters who seem to be twisting Kate's behavior right off the bat.

GUIN carries on with a new poster
RUTHIE said:

I agree with some of the posters that Kate did look nervous.I think she is worried that Nadya will be "moving in" on her fame.

GUIN said:
Ruthy, not to pick on you, but this is an example of why I find it hard to have substantive conversations with anti-Gosselin posters. (of course she is picking on her)

GUIN said:
I haven't seen the show - it didn't tape for me. So I don't know how Kate looked. Maybe she was nervous, maybe she wasn't. Maybe she was stressed out or tired or intimidated by the different setting. There are so many different, reasonable explanations of why Kate may have appeared nervous (if in fact she did appear so). But I find that when someone hates Kate unreasonably, they go to the explanation that makes her look the worst, whether there is any evidence to indicate it or not. It just makes it hard to have a conversation. Maybe you don't want to have one - maybe you just want to get your dig in and move on. I don't know. I do know that when you come from such an extreme position, with no evidence to back up your supposition, it makes it difficult for reasonable people to take you seriously and assume that you're sincere.

(Guin hadn't seen the show, and remember, speculation isn't allowed)

Guin is an expert at circular logic!

And Guin continues with Ruthie:

To me, your interpretation of the reason for Kate's supposed nervousness was extreme because it was not supported by any evidence - its only intent, as far as I could see, was to paint Kate in a bad light. Maybe she had a dead body in the trunk of her car - maybe that's why she was nervous! We can make stuff up but when our interpretations do not sound reasonable to a reasonable person, our motives for having such an extreme interpretation can be guessed at.No, I don't know how you feel about the Gosselins, but I made a reasonable guess based on your unreasonable assumption. See how that works? It's called logic, and it's free - anyone can employ it. Even Gosselin haters.

So the mods make the rules people. It isn't censorship when you own the blog.

Friday, February 13, 2009

The GREAT and Powerful OZ

Not too long ago there was a thread regarding the kids missing school to accompany Kate on her PR interviews as she shed her light on the octoplet birth. Many people weighed in on why it was OK for Kate to pull kids out of school, and why it wasn't. Of course the people who supported the idea that the kids need to keep to their routine of school was shot down by most.


I tend to agree with Jen K that this interview was part of their *work* and if a kid wants to opt out of an interview for whatever reason, they should be allowed to do so. On the other hand, I think Kate should have the sense and compassion to know which kid isn't into it and give them the day off.I also agree about them not missing school except for illness or emergency. I think the kids schooling is one thing Kate shouldn't muck up. Let them keep their routine, and insist that interviews be done after school or weekends. Whether or not the kids had their assignments before hand or not, most likely on a Friday, in second grade they missed out on something, be it a spelling test, ice cream day, or Show and Tell.This isn't about speculating as to how the kids are doing in school, it is about their *job* not interfering with their right to go to school uninterrupted.
January 31, 2009 9:35 AM

I stand by my words here that kids should be in school barring emergency or illness as a general rule.


I guess the Obama girls should have been in school on January 20th 2009.
January 31, 2009 10:04 AM
Now of course the majority of people can see the sheer ridiculousness of this statement, but Nina wasn't finished.

I questioned the absurdity of her statement (now realizing I should never have gone up against the great and powerful Oz, I mean Nina.)

Nina said:

Well believe it. Rigid standards only for Kate.
January 31, 2009 10:29 AM

FIONA said:

So the standards we hold and expect for our First Lady we should expect the same of Kate Gosselin, right Nina?

Are you attempting to compare Michelle's parenting to Kate's?I think Michelle Obama's concern for her children and living a normal, uninterrupted life would be a great conversation she should share with Kate.First Michelle would tell her that children weren't meant to be money makers.
January 31, 2009 10:33 AM

Nina said:

Fiona,Sure Fiona, that is what I was attempting to do. I wasn't attempting, I was showing that you have different standards for Kate due to your dislike for her. Now I must go run errands for the day.
January 31, 2009 10:39 AM

So Nina bails out of this absurd conversation and comes back to set me straight......

I by no means was comparing the Obama family to the Gosselin family, just showing the rigidity of this statement - "I also agree about them not missing school except for illness or emergency."People speculate on this site all the time. I did say speculation that is inflammatory. Again, my problem with statements like that is that they become fact. That is what we see on the Internet over and over again. "They take the kids out of school all of the time for interviews."In fact, we are already seeing it.
January 31, 2009 1:12 PM

And later on she tells me:

Fiona,I think the key to blogging about the Gosselins is like anything else. People just need to be respectful, truthful and honest when they blog. You certainly were just very honest and respectful about how you feel and that is all anyone can ask.
February 2, 2009 9:16 AM

So somewhere in this exchange I pissed Nina off because I was "speculating" about how much the Gosselin kids are taken out of school. Laughable I know. And shortly after I am told I am respectful etc....

Now just so you know "speculating" is only allowed by Kate's admirer's such as when they are justifying why she looks so out of it recently during the in home interviews. Kate has PMS, Kate is tired from moving, Kate is tired from cleaning a refrigerator.

Speculating is NOT allowed to discuss if the kid's miss too much school, botox treatments or if the kids cry too much.

Thursday, February 12, 2009


Hey, I have been around. Most people who blog about the G's know who I am. I am not perfect. I have made some mistakes, but I haven't hidden from them. I am honest in my thoughts without being cruel.

Blogging about the Gosselin's is a very interesting pastime. For me it is mostly fun and entertaining, but lately I have been getting a very hard time from a couple of posters and no support from the blog owner.

I take the heat if I deserve it, but if GDNNP continues its course of running off new posters and challenging e v e r y single word written it starts getting old.

Seriously. I don't get Guinevere. Is it just me or does she just like to provoke? Line by line she takes apart posts. She stands up for Kate because Kate gets too much flack on other sites. Does that make sense to anybody? Who makes a decision to defend someone because they feel like too many people already don't like her?

I am frustrated because it seems like all of the blogs have some element of agenda, corruptness or meaness.

Maybe it's me, maybe it isn't. I really liked GDNNP for a long time, and liked that there were varied things to talk about.